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On Mar 6, 2025, at 7:18 AM, Richard Tarara via Phys-l <phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:
Always did a version of what Joe suggests in the 'puppy' physics class (required lab science course but not baby bio or kiddie chem). Did it like a research company project and each group studying one aspect had to present their graphs and explain the meaning of them to the whole group. Of course I, as head of the lab, got to go to Hawaii to present their results at a major conference. The one thing to add to Todd's note is to watch those who choose to measure multiple swings and average. Very often then miscount by starting the watch and counting ONE rather than ZERO. I would address that after the planning discussion at the start of the lab did decide that timing multiple swings was better than multiple single swings. 😉
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From: Phys-l <phys-l-bounces@mail.phys-l.org> On Behalf Of Todd Pedlar via Phys-l
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phys-L] pendulum
In addition to Joe's suggestion, a very helpful thing is to just ask the groups to measure the period of a pendulum (set them up to all have the same length) and just let them do it. Answer no questions about how to do but just see what they do.
Then, compare all the results from various groups.
Invariably, some will just try to measure one oscillation (usually starting when they drop and then trying to stop their stopwatches at the moment the pendulum is at rest again, which is very hard to do with any precision), etc Some will likely try to measure N individual swings and then take the average, and some may measure the total elapsed time for N swings and divide by N, etc. But don't instruct them to do that.
The scatter of results will startle many - and it gives you a good chance to talk about what gives the most precise results, and why.
Todd
On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 12:21 PM Joseph Bellina via Phys-l < phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:
You might want to open the experiment a bit and just ask what might
affect the period first. You could get a list of ideas from the
class….likely mass and amount of swing will come up. Then have
different groups test what does affect the period by looking at one
variable holding the others constant. Discuss why the others are held
constant. So large mass small mass with same length and amount of
swing. They quickly find the biggest influence is length. Then raise
the question of the pattern of that influence.
Best
Joe
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On Mar 5, 2025, at 10:34 AM, Shahram Mostarshed via Phys-l <phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:
else
The idea here is to 'linearize' the graph, since it is easier to
measure the slope of a straight line, unless your question is about
something
(?)the
Shahram Mostarshed
Physics Instructor, Stanford OHS
On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 3:02 AM Anthony Lapinski via Phys-l <
phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:
I might try a pendulum lab in my (high school) class when I teach
about waves. Will have them time the swings, change the length, and
determine
go onperiod. Why are most graphs online for this period squared vs length?
(slope = 4pi^2/g) Since length is the independent variable, it
should
g/4pi^2the y-axis - plot length vs period squared. Then the slope would be
- in m/s^2). Is there some historical tradition here, or am I_______________________________________________
missing something simple?
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